如果谁要“鸡同鸭讲”的官方解释,你就播这个视频给他看。哈哈。
我觉得吧这两个马老板放在一个论坛上就是笑话。
马斯克讨论的是广义的人工智能,指的是输入输出信号处理那个层面的。马云说的是当前的某种人工智能或者由当前的人工智能延伸出去的更智能的人工智能,执着于是不是动物,有没有一个心脏,跑得快不快。
E: Can chimpanzees really understand human? …we just like strange aliens. They mostly just care about other chimpanzees…if the difference is only that small, it will be really amazing. probably is much much greater.
E: We are already a cyborg. Because we are so well integrated with our phones, internet, the phone is almost like an extension of yourself. If you forgot your phone, it’s like missing limb.
J: It’s so hard to predict the future. 99.99% of the predictions that human being had about the future are all wrong…they are right by accident.
E: You can think of humanity as biological boatloader of digital super intelligence.
J: when human understand ourselves better, then we can improve the world better…but I feel what I am excited about AI is AI is to understand people, the inside of human beings.
J: …at that time, we will have a lot of jobs that nobody wants to do, so we need AI, robots to…
下面这一幕真的很搞笑。马斯克开始凝视远方,嘟哝道
E: we are gonna figure out this neuralink situation; otherwise we will be left behind…we don’t have much time.
J: we don’t have much time? For what?
E: we don’t have much time to solve neuralink.
J: ug….(甩手并作不屑状)
马斯克正在跟三体人对话。马云突然觉得这神经病怎么不好好说人话?!哈哈哈。。。
有时候我在考虑一个格局问题,当然只能猜想,站在人类财富的最高峰,中外最有钱的那群人,每日心心念念的事情,每天贪早摸黑的目标,在格局上有没有区别,如果有,又有着什么样的区别?盖茨投身于没有经济效益的贫困地区的疫苗;贝索斯建万年大钟;马斯克星际移民。。。都是一些笨事傻事蠢事。然而,美,永远是由距离产生的。这些离他们自身那么遥远的事,或许是他们认为的最美的事。
J: educate people on…creative things that let people live like a human being…we need to change the education…and don’t worry. I will change it.
E: current education is really slow, low bandwidth.
另外,用逻辑去自圆其说。马斯克用了各种论证方法,现场完胜。可能跟中西教育的不同有关,因为外国教育重视正确的论证过程,而国内重视正确的结论;也可能跟是不是卖百货有关,因为我觉得马云和贝索斯在现场论证中常出现逻辑问题。
E: biggest problem the world will face is population collapse (accelerating collapse).
J: I agreed.
什么原因担心人口问题,两人没有继续深入,我倒是很好奇?
J: when we love someone or something, we don’t need a reason, we just love. But we hate someone or something, there is a logic behind it. When there is a logic, AI can do better.
E: it’s a good thing that we eventually die…it’s good to have this life cycle.